If you hate crossovers, be prepared to be sad

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  1. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    Its been over a year since Ford announced they will stop selling cars (meaning traditional "sedan" styled vehicles... I'll always maintain CUVs are just wagons) in North America.

    Ford to stop selling every car in North America but the Mustang and Focus Active – TechCrunch

    In more recent news, Toyota was building a joint manufacturing facility with Mazda (not even sure how that works, maybe like the Toyota Subaru partnership or the Toyota Pontiac partnership where both companies sell the same vehicle in slightly different forms?) in Alabama. This facility was supposed to produce Corollas but Jalopnik is now reporting it will produce a new entry level CUV below the RAV4 in size and price. I don't know if that means Mazda is also cutting small sedan production numbers given this is a joint facility?

    Finally, Jalopnik is also reporting that the VW Beetle will cease production (again) to be replaced by the Tarek. A (you guessed it) small CUV.

    https://jalopnik.com/toyota-bows-to-suv-mania-1836275486

    I have no personal opinion on this. I don't hate crossovers and I don't see the point in expending emotional energy raging against large corporations producing what the masses want. These vehicles are also not the unnecessary abominations that were the rage 20 years ago when everyone was buying full size truck-based SUVs. These cars (yes, they're cars) get way better fuel economy than any of us who drive our Audis, BMWs, Infinitis, etc.
     
  2. DYohn

    DYohn Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    I love crossovers.
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  3. Drew

    Drew Well-Known Member Top Poster

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    Ford makes cars? I'm aware of the Fusion, those I've seen the most in the past few years. Very little fiestas and focus. I'm not surprised, I never see them. Obviously the Mustang is seen more commonly.
     
  4. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    Up until recently the had the Fiesta, C-Max, Focus, Fusion, Taurus, Mustang so that was 6 "cars".
     
  5. Drew

    Drew Well-Known Member Top Poster

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    Just echoing the sentiment. This move makes sense, they obviously are not popular enough to keep making them.
     
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  6. Ken McDaniel

    Ken McDaniel Well-Known Member

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    Just went and bought a '14 Toyota FJ. I still love body on frame off road-capable machine more than anything. I just can't get into this X-over craze.
     
  7. Mike B

    Mike B Well-Known Member Donor Top Poster

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    My wife loves crossovers. Her last one just croaked so we will be getting her another one.

    Me, I'm glad I bought that Impala when I did!
     
  8. Jason Lorette

    Jason Lorette Well-Known Member

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    I'll keep driving my Mini Cooper Clubman from 2012 thanks.
     
  9. Andrew Pratt

    Andrew Pratt Well-Known Member Top Poster

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    The smaller cross overs are really just tall hatchbacks.
     
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  10. Bent

    Bent Well-Known Member

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    My girlfriend drives a VW Tiguan (2015), 2.0 l turbo, it's about the size of a Honda CRV (maybe a tad smaller), good passenger space front and back but not a lot of cargo room in back. I spent the weekend driving it, and it is a little tiny rocketship. it will leave my R18 Civic behind every single time and still turns 7.0 l/100km on the hiway. The manual calls for Premium fuel due to the turbocharged engine requiring it, but she's never put anything but regular in it. if it wasn't for the 10 000 dollar premium over the Honda CRV, I'd own one too.
    I'm not sold on the utility aspect of the CUV's, but there are no real wagons avaialble anymore. I liked the original Subaru Forester, but it grew too tall. Honda used to have an Accord wagon, I liked it too, as I did the Corolla wagon and the Ford Escort wagon.
    I owned a Taurus wagon with the 3.0 Duratec 24v v6, it was pretty quick too - but just not reliable.

    I agree that the new batch of small CUV's are tall hatchbacks, I miss wagons, they were longer, and lower making a roof rack a very usefull thing, it's an absolute bitvh putting bikes up on a roof rack on a CUV.
     
  11. Carl V

    Carl V Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    Doesn't AUDI, Volvo, BMW & Mercedes
    still make estate vehicles (aka wagon).
    and yes, AWD Station wagons were & are handy.
     
  12. Chris Smith

    Chris Smith Well-Known Member

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    The small crossovers make sense for people who want a smaller car. My wife drives a Prius right now and if she doesn't get a new Prius when she's ready for a new car in a year or so, as hers is 11 years old with 160K miles on it, she'll probably get a small crossover. But her 48mpg average with a car that's bigger than you expect is hard to beat, even if the car is not fun to drive at all. But since she has a 60 mile total a day commute, it's worked out really well for us.

    The one that doesn't make any damn sense to me are the larger SUVs that are still built on car platforms (like the Honda Pilot or Toyota Highlander for example.) You can't tow anything decent with it, you need a truck or an SUV built on a truck platform for that. And they're no where near as useful as my minivan for carrying people or cargo, and don't drive as nice. My sister just bought a new Pilot and I keep telling her she got the wrong car.

    Anyone still looking for a station wagon (in the US), they morphed into minivans. Never thought I'd drive a minivan and be a "that dad" but I absolutely love this stupid car. Can easily fit my family and all of their softball and coaching equipment, with room to spare for an extra kid or two that I have to pick up on the way to practice.
     
  13. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    1) 99.7% of people will never tow anything.
    1.5) Most larger crossovers can tow over 3000 lbs.
    2) Minivans suck
    3) I disagree that e.g. a Pilot doesn't drive as nice as e.g. an Odyssey.
     
  14. Chris Smith

    Chris Smith Well-Known Member

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    I've driven both the Odyssey and the Pilot and, IMO, it's not even close. The Odyssey is a much better ride.

    Minivans suck because they're driven by soccer moms. But they're still, by far, the most useful type of car if you have to carry people and stuff.

    They're also a lot easier to get in and out of compared to an SUV and more comfortable for long distance drives (it's not unusual for us to drive 11-17 hours for vacations, NJ to Indianapolis for a long weekend, or NJ to Florida for a week, about once a year or so)
     
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    DYohn Bronze Member Donor Top Poster

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    I drove a Chrysler Grand Voyager from California to North Carolina and back with six kids onboard and it was great.
     
  16. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    That's not why, because "full size" crossovers are are predominately driven by soccer moms and yet between the two, one repels people with the other doesn't.
     
  17. Ken McDaniel

    Ken McDaniel Well-Known Member

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    Crossovers, especially the 3 row kind) are for people who want minivan practicality without the soccer mom stigma. Friend at work got a GMC variety. It’ll never go off road or pull anything. He has a truck for that. I told him he should have gotten the minivan and he was like, “ewwww.” The damn think feels 90% minivan. Still sucks.
     
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    Chris Smith Well-Known Member

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    I think this quote pretty much sums it up:

     
  19. CJ

    CJ Bronze Member Admin Top Poster

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    I mean, people are going to buy what they want. If someone makes a minivan that looks cooler I might consider it. Also consider that 90% of minivans aren't available with AWD, which is a nice feature to have. The reality is that saying a Highlander isn't THAT MUCH cooler than a mini van is still saying a Highlander is cooler.

    Also, saying "a minivan is probably the right tool for the job" is a bit like saying a soundbar is good enough for 90% of the cases. That is absolutely true but it doesn't stop people like us.
     
  20. DustinDavis

    DustinDavis Well-Known Member

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    I know a father of 2 (like me), who has a Honda Odyssey. It’s a kick-ass vehicle, and I ain’t buying one.
     

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