WD Red 8TB NAS drives at all time low

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    I just picked up a 10TB WD Elements external drive for 136 shipped. WD.com had it on sale for 160 plus 20% off with a Plex Pass code. Crazy price.

    Most of the people over at r/DataHoarder/ "shuck" these by taking them out of the external enclosure and putting them in their NAS/PC.
     
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    Yeah, I've done that back in the day when I needed a drive NOW. Used to be you could go to target or best buy and get an external drive but not an internal one. So I'd just buy the external and strip off the enclosure. That was to go in a traditional PC though. NAS drives have specific parameters around heat management, bad sector management, etc. that desktop drives don't have.
     
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    I'm planning on putting in a regular PC (my storage isn't in a dedicated NAS, but since I have a bunch of computers running all the time anyway, I just throw drives in there.)

    However, these drives are WD White drives which, as far as anyone can tell, are just rebranded red drives. They're the same drive, so all those extra features should still exist.
     
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    That doesn't surprise me as many of the same requirements for operations exist with an external enclosure. My guess is Warranty is the main difference. WD Red have a 3 year warranty. Most of the consumer stuff is 1 year.

    Actually this is an interesting blurb... glad I'm just sticking with NAS designed drives...
    No, WD 8TB Whites and Reds Are Not The Same : DataHoarder
     
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    Yeah, I'm willing to take the risk to save $100.

    My use case is mostly write once read seldom anyway. Storing a lot of video and that sort of thing.
     
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    Yeah, except its like a $20-$30 savings. I just paid $160 each for two drives. The EZ Stores that people are shucking are $150 and have never been below $130 per camel.
     
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    For the 8TB, yeah, I'd pay the extra 20-30.

    For the 10TB, which I got, I've never seen the price for the 10TB Reds under $220 and it's usually around 250 or more last I looked. The people who are actually buying the EZ Stores for 150-160 are getting the bigger drives now. When you're space limited by backplane/available SATA ports, those extra 2TB can matter.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not a true data hoarder. I know many of those guys have dozens of TB of (often pirated) content. A lot of these folks will get nostalgic about a TV show and go download every episode of Friends, Seinfeld, Fresh Prince, Cheers, etc. and have 10,000 episodes of TV they don't watch and are all available on Netflix. Just skimming r/DataHoarders there is a post from an hour ago about Flex Raid and OP claims to have 100TB media server. WHY?!

    Or look at this thread here where everyone is joking about trading linux distros. They're clearly saying "if you send me drives, I'll copy thousands of instance of pirated content over for you and you can delete what you don't want."
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    I currently have a 5 disk SHR array and it is at about 90% full. This is about 7TB of movies, another 1TB of photos, and the rest is miscellaneous files, backups from 5 computers, etc.

    SHR is Synology's flexible RAID 5 technology where each drive doesn't have to be the same size. My array consists of five 4TB WD red. I'm replacing two of them with 8TB Reds which will expand my capacity by a little under 4TB total. If it was true RAID 5 that would offer no expansion and I'd have to replace every drive. Synology's calculator isn't quite right. They say five 4s should give my 16TB but if I look at my actual NAS it says I have about 14TB total, of which about 1.2TB is free. The real beauty of SHR is once I do the two drives (doing one would offer no immediate expansion) doing just one more will over another nearly 4TB.
     
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    OMG I went down a rabbit hole. Some people are downloading entire youtube channels. Like every video the channel published, or tumblr blogs because they might go away. These people are sick (sorry if that's you Chris). I assume a lot of people have TB of porn too.
     
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    At this point I only use spinners for backup and all my backup are WD red drives. My music server and both PCs in the house are running Samsung 3D V-NAND SSDs.
     
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    Music and movies are different beasts, size wise. And in either case, the speed of the storage is really pretty irrelevant. That said, if you only need a couple hundred GB go SSD, might as well.
     
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    My music server is 8Tb of SSD... but I get your point.
     
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    Not to get into dick wagging, I'm honestly just curious, but how is it structured? 8TB isn't really that much compared to what you need for a movie server.
     
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    Oh I know. I have no interest in trying to build a movie server, I have streaming services for that. :)

    It's 4 X 2Tb SSDs combined as a single virtual device in Fedora. Plus a 256Gb SSD for the system drive.
     
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    Ah, so no redundancy so you back up to spinners?
     
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    That's right. I've got a QNAP NAS loaded with three 2Tb WD reds.
     
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    Which I may soon need to upgrade to larger drives given the outstanding pricing in this thread. I wonder what the size limit on my housing is since it's old. Hmm.
     
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    Most manufacturers have a pretty clear compatibility table on their website.

    Compatibility List - QNAP
     

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